Comments on: Chapter 11, the airlines and incompetance http://blog.flymefriendly.com/2008/09/chapter-11-the-airlines-and-incompetance/ Can't keep my eyes from the circling skies Thu, 29 Dec 2011 08:34:36 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: Timjackelton http://blog.flymefriendly.com/2008/09/chapter-11-the-airlines-and-incompetance/comment-page-1/#comment-10 Timjackelton Mon, 08 Sep 2008 18:05:00 +0000 http://blog.flymefriendly.com/?p=25#comment-10 With respect, have to agree with with Falcon 124, but I can say with confidence that Ansett was a great airline if they were more aggressive with their International routes, that part of the show showed great potential but it all came too late, should have happened 5 years before hand, and just may be Ansett would still be around today in one form or another. Sadly Ansett management was a "boys club" and did not listen to the tech crews who were saying that if they did not change its fleet, to new equipment etc. then the writing was on the wall for AN. The tech crews were saying this over and over again 5 years before its collapse. At the time Ansett was a bit of a joke amongst the engineering staff from many airlines, their fleet, was always referred to as having one of everything ever manufactured. Where did you get these suicide figures from? I'm not saying you are wrong but I find it hard to believe. I worked very closely with AN and can also say with confidence that the real demise of Ansett was caused by the ANZ takeover. They stripped them dry, and on the last night of trading I saw with my own eyes an ANZ 737 loading spare Ansett owned engines and parts and flew them back to NZ. Yes it is right to say that the American Chapter 11 stinks if you are referring to the creditors, but if the airline keeps flying it does keep people in jobs and the creditors most of the time get their money back as in the case of United Delta. Bob Hawke, Sir Peter Ables and others were going to smash Ansett, for reasons other than what was stated in the press. I would have preferred a US chapter 11 styled solution to the problem. Simply the problem with America is that they have too many airlines, but th is changing with merger talks getting stronger and stronger. We also could talk about Alitalia in Europe, which is also a basket case and has been for years! but that's another blog. With respect, have to agree with with Falcon 124, but I can say with confidence that Ansett was a great airline if they were more aggressive with their International routes, that part of the show showed great potential but it all came too late, should have happened 5 years before hand, and just may be Ansett would still be around today in one form or another.

Sadly Ansett management was a “boys club” and did not listen to the tech crews who were saying that if they did not change its fleet, to new equipment etc. then the writing was on the wall for AN. The tech crews were saying this over and over again 5 years before its collapse. At the time Ansett was a bit of a joke amongst the engineering staff from many airlines, their fleet, was always referred to as having one of everything ever manufactured.

Where did you get these suicide figures from? I’m not saying you are wrong but I find it hard to believe. I worked very closely with AN and can also say with confidence that the real demise of Ansett was caused by the ANZ takeover. They stripped them dry, and on the last night of trading I saw with my own eyes an ANZ 737 loading spare Ansett owned engines and parts and flew them back to NZ.

Yes it is right to say that the American Chapter 11 stinks if you are referring to the creditors, but if the airline keeps flying it does keep people in jobs and the creditors most of the time get their money back as in the case of United Delta. Bob Hawke, Sir Peter Ables and others were going to smash Ansett, for reasons other than what was stated in the press. I would have preferred a US chapter 11 styled solution to the problem.

Simply the problem with America is that they have too many airlines, but th is changing with merger talks getting stronger and stronger. We also could talk about Alitalia in Europe, which is also a basket case and has been for years! but that’s another blog.

]]> By: Falcon124 http://blog.flymefriendly.com/2008/09/chapter-11-the-airlines-and-incompetance/comment-page-1/#comment-9 Falcon124 Mon, 08 Sep 2008 00:59:59 +0000 http://blog.flymefriendly.com/?p=25#comment-9 Oh wow - I had absolutely no idea that there were suicides from the Ansett disaster. Had I known that there is no way I would have used "not the end of the world." I'll modify the post accordingly. Oh wow – I had absolutely no idea that there were suicides from the Ansett disaster. Had I known that there is no way I would have used “not the end of the world.” I’ll modify the post accordingly.

]]> By: jack http://blog.flymefriendly.com/2008/09/chapter-11-the-airlines-and-incompetance/comment-page-1/#comment-8 jack Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:57:51 +0000 http://blog.flymefriendly.com/?p=25#comment-8 Your articale above went well till you were silliy enough to mention - Here in Australia we lost Ansett Airlines and it was a complete disaster, but you know what, it wasn’t the end of the world. - You have no idea how wrong you were for some, in fact many! Over 170 took thier own life because of what happened, yes for many getting that 'other job' was great, saddly for many they couldn't coup so please how dare you say it wasn't the end of the world. Your articale above went well till you were silliy enough to mention – Here in Australia we lost Ansett Airlines and it was a complete disaster, but you know what, it wasn’t the end of the world. – You have no idea how wrong you were for some, in fact many!
Over 170 took thier own life because of what happened, yes for many getting that ‘other job’ was great, saddly for many they couldn’t coup so please how dare you say it wasn’t the end of the world.

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